| How would u refute this site?
http://jdstone.org/cr/files/nohistoricalevidenceofjesus.html
vintageus1@netscape.net
Btw Im not advocating the site for when I shared evidence to the contrary of there site they denied me equal time on there guest book, blocked one of there email addresses and have yet to address any of my questions in fact here are some of the responses I initially received before they cut off my ability to post.
Once again I see you have deleted my posts.
A true seeker is one who looks at all the evidence and allows it to be put on the table in front of everyone. Then leaves it up to the reader or hearer to decide for themselves. Once again I will post everything here and on www.preteristarchive.com so if some of you dont find it here you can find it there for the so called Man of God answering my posts is to much of a coward to leave them in full view for everyone to see. Lets see it is now 3:36 pm est on 3/22/04. All the posts will be posted lets see if they are still here by tonight. More then likely they will not be so for any of you who want the posts mine and the author of this message board or whoever is answering me I will gladly send all posts. Also now I see I can no longer even post on your guestbook. What a bunch of cowards. If whoever runs this site allows this kind of game playing there integrity comes into question as well. For now I will Give you(Hugh) the benefit of the doubt that it was not you answering my posts in your guest book then deleting them so the public could not see them. That is why im sending you this email so that you will be aware if you are not already of the nonsense going on.
Comments by Vintage
Xian
http://pub.alxnet.com/guestbook?id=2503442
Name: Unknown xian
Sent: 9.22 pm - 3/21
Hi, if nothing else I find this site interesting. I am Christian. But my view is quite different then most. The only way the New Testament makes sense in light of the Old is Past Fulfillment for according to Luke 21:22 These be the days of vengenence when all things be fulfilled. (Comments by Vnitage)
CHRISTIANITY-REVEALED COMMENTS: Oh, so you place your belief in good old Luke who said:
That at the time Jesus was born,
Herod was king of Judea (Luke 1:5);
Quirinius was governor of Syria (Luke 2:2); and
Caesar Augustus ruled Rome (Luke 2:1).
Got news for you, GOOd old Luke reinvented history -- it isn't so!
There was never a time when these three spans overlapped.
Don't trust anything in the xian bible -- it is pure fiction!
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That was refering to the destruction of the Temple in 70ad based on my studies and did come to pass as stated by Jesus.
(Comments by Vintage)
CR COMMENT: DON'T YOU KNOW WHY IT CAME TO PASS? BECAUSE THE NEW TESTAMENT WAS WRITTEN AFETR THAT TIME. IT WAS NOT FORETELLING ANYTHING, ONLY AN EVENt THAT HAD ALREADY HAPPENED. AND YOU SAY, "stated by jesus," AS IF JESUS ACTUALLy SAID SOMETHING. NO ONE KNOWs WHO WROTE THE GOSPELS, OR EVEN WHEN -- THE EARLY CHURCH FATHERS EDITED AND INSERTED WHATEVER THAT WANT JESUS TO SAY. THE ONLY SCRIPTURE THAT EXISTED AT THE TIME OF JESUS WAS THE HEBREW BIBLE (TANAKH). JESUS SAID NOTHING, MUCH LESS PREDICTED ANYTHING. JESUS IS FICTION AND EXISTS ENTIRELY IN THE PAGES OF THE NEW TESTAMENT -- NOT ANYWHERE IN ALL OF CONTEMPORARY HISTORY.
In any event,One thing that has always bothered me about Christianity, is, if indeed the Bible, Particulary the New Testament is True, why is there so many divisions. For there are no divisions in Mathematics. 2+2=4 throughout the world and indeed Truth is whole, not divided. Im not trying to disprove the bible Least of of Jesus, but my main interest is to seek the Truth for the sake of Truth alone even if that means I may have to let go of former cherrished beliefs. I remain open to the possibility that in any area of life I am still ignorant of Truth and therefor always willing to learn.
One thing I KNOW is that God is indeed real and that He Loves us and wants us to KNOW him. (Comments by Vintage)
IF YOU STOP RIGHT THERE YOU ARE APPROCAHING TRUTH, BUT YOU CONTINUE INTO ERROR -- JESUS IS FICTION! Comment By CR
Therefor if Jesus is another word for Truth then indeed anyone can KNOW GOD Thru the TRuth and the truth alone.
God BLess (Comments by Vintage)
THINK! THINK!
REMEMBER THE XIAN GOD, UNDERSTAND WHAT HE REALLY IS A LITTLE BETTER. HE:
crawled out from between the legs of a womam;
craped his pants;
nursed on teats and cried;
Had to be taught to read and write;
grew up and was killed
IS THIS ANY WAY THE CREATOR OF TIME, GRAVITY, THE UNIVERSE AND MANKIND APPEARS TO YOU?
NO WAY JOSE! THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE AND AN INSULT TO YOUR CREATOR!
Commments by CRSent: 7.24 am - 3/22
Unknown Xian,
So far you have made statements with no verifiable facts to back them up. Also you say that these books of the Bible where written after 70ad, once again no valid evidence to back up ur statements. But I have some interesting statements written by Josephus, by the way who does speak of Jesus as do other ancient witnesses.
So ponder what is below, at least the part Josephus wrote about his fellow countrymen, seems to me he did not have so a High opinion of these men.
When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places seeking rest, and findeth none. Then he saith, I will return unto my house from whence I came out; and when he is come he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and then enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be unto this wicked generation’ (Matt. xii. 43-45).
The closing sentence is full of significance. The guilty and rebellious nation, which had rejected and crucified its King, was, in its last stage of impenitence and obduracy, to be given over to the unrestrained dominion of evil. The exorcised demon was at the last to return reinforced by a legion.
We have abundant evidence in the pages of Josephus of the truth of this representation. Again and again he declares that the nation had become utterly corrupt and debased. ‘No generation,’ says he, ‘ever existed more prolific in crime.’
‘I am of opinion,’ he says again, ‘that had the Romans deferred the punishment of these wretches, either the earth would have opened, and swallowed up the city, or it would have been swept away by a deluge, or have shared the thunderbolts of the land of Sodom. For it produced a race far more ungodly than those who were thus visited.’---Josephus, bk. v. chap. xiii.
(Comments by Vintage)
Unknow Xian,
One other thing I notice in your words, you are attacking rather then teaching. Love teaches, Religion preaches and or attacks. From the fullness of the Heart the Mouth speaks and so far your words are full of slander and accusations with no PROOF to back them up. All I have heard so far is to believe in your words and your words are vile at best. For Im not a Jew nor do I subscribe to Judiaism but I have visited synagogues and temples here in the US and I find the people there I have met very intelligent and Love them as much as I do fellow Christians. You can say all u want against Jesus but his teachings when applied do indeed work. Tell that seek and you shall find, ask and it shall be Given, Knock and the door shall be open are not true. Also tell me that do not Judge lest you be Judged is not true, for indeed in the measure you judge in the very next instant you are judged for your conscience tells you so unless of course you have no conscience. So before you make statements I suggest you investigate further, For as a wise man once said, It is never wrong to accept a piece of fruit, it is only wrong to accept a piece of fruit without verifying if it is real or not. So far the fruit of your lips has not been very pleasant even if indeed any of it was true. Love has nothing to do with attacking but education. Sin is not something to be punished but to be corrected, In Greek Sin simply means missing the mark, a simple Archery Term, but if one refuses correction they will indeed suffer of thru there own ignorance and pain.
(Comments by Vintage)
Sent: 7.55 am - 3/22
Unknown Xian,
have just notice one other thing, My first and original post has been deleted. Hummmm I wonder why that is, perhaps it is you who are antichist as opposed to me being antisemetic. What are you afraid of, you are afraid to leave my original post for all to see, humm. Well seems to me your not being fair and Just. By the way I have now copied all my posts to a word file with the exception of the original for I never thought such a man of God as youself would delete it.
Sent: 8.06 am - 3/22(Comments by Vintage)
I guess Jesus viewpoint on Love is false to.
43"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor[8] and hate your enemy.' 44But I tell you: Love your enemies[9] and pray for those who persecute you, 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? (Comments by Vintage)
Sent: 8.34 am - 3/22
I see that you do have my original post but scattered throughout ur answer to it. Next time let everyone see the post stand alone as well. So I stand corrected in my post that you deleted my original.
My apologies(Comments by Vintage)
Name: Unknown xian
City unknown
Sent: 8.06 am - 3/22
I guess Jesus viewpoint on Love is false to.[sic, too]
43"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor[8] and hate your enemy.' 44But I tell you: Love your enemies[9] and pray for those who persecute you, 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
Do not even pagans do that?
CR COMMENTS: HERE WE GO AGAIN -- THE UNKNOWN XIAN QUOTING SELECTIVE SCRIPTURE -- NOT SHOWING THE REAL NATURE OF JEZUZ. OH, WELL -- GUESS I HAVE TO SET THE RECORDS STRAIGHT !
Luke 19:11-27 calls upon Jesus' followers to murder Jews who do not accept him?
Why worry, after all, it's only a parable?
A parable is a simple story used to illustrate a lesson. It conveys a meaning indirectly by the use of comparison analogy.
In the total imagery of Jesus' parable, found in Luke 19:11-27, Jesus was the nobleman who becomes the king. As his parable was directed toward the Jewish people who constituted his audience (verses 1-9), these enemy-citizens represent the Jews who reject Jesus as king. In verse 14, they were called citizens; in verse 27, through their rebellious refusal to accept the nobleman's kingship, they are now considered enemies. Therefore, Jesus (the king in the parable) decrees a time of judgment on the unfaithful and disobedient. Echoing the warning of the Matthean Jesus, "He who is not with me is against me . . ." (Matthew 12:30), the Lucan Jesus demands of his followers that those who reject his rule be destroyed before him: "But those enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here, and SLAY THEM IN MY PRESENCE."
The intent of Jesus' words was not lost on subsequent generations of his followers. Christians could not but interpret this parable as a call for judgment upon the Jewish people for rejecting Jesus. This was made all the more poignant because this commandment came from Jesus himself. The destruction to be carried out upon those who refuse to accept Jesus is the bloody commission, the sanction for slaughter of all who refuse the cross.
The tragic results of what is taught in this parable are recorded in the history of subsequent encounters of the Jewish people with those Christians who followed Jesus' dictum. Why do the Jews suffer oppression at the hands of Christians? This Gospel passage answers, "The Jews suffer persecution because of their refusal to accept Jesus as the Messiah."
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I hate it when jezuz lovers only tell half truths! maybe it is because their clergy never taught them the real xian bible!
UNKNOWN XIAN, if you would only shut your mouth long enought to study, you would find that the jezuz you were taught doesn't even exist in the pages of the nt -- love was just a word he threw around -- not what he did. Jezuz lied to his disciples, killed an innocent tree, killed an innocent herd of swine, disrespected his parents. AND all you see if the jezuz loves you crapola. YOU REFUSE TO LEARN BECAUSE IT WOULD DESTROY YOUR PRETTY IMAGE OF THE DEAD MAN GOD.
I MUST BE BLUNT!
Let me understand your xian dead-man god a little better.
HE:
* crawled out from between the legs of a womam;
* craped his pants;
* nursed on teats and cried;
* Had to be taught to read and write;
* Grew up and was killed
This is your god huh!
THIS MAY BE YOUR GOD, BUT IT BEARS NO RELATIONSHIP TO YOUR CREATOR -- THE ONE WHO CREATED ALL: TIME, GRAVITY, THE UNIVERSE AND EVEN YOU. SORRY YOUR DEAD-MAN GOD IS JUST SICK PAGANISM -- A VAMPIRE AND CANNIBLE RELIGION OF HUMAN SACRIFICE, DRINKING BLOOD AND EATING FLESH. COPIED RIGHT FROM PAGAN MYTHOLOGY OF 900 OR MORE YEARS BCE.
THINK! THINK! STUDY! STUDY!
Name: vintage
Sent: 9.37 am - 3/22
Humm once again you have convenantly removed my posts. Your are also ranting and raving. Once again no factual evidence to support your view from History. I will copy and paste all of my statements for all to see on this site. Let the reader deciede who has a degree of self honesty and who does not. For there is a site avaible on Christianity that shows the good bad and indifferent about it that teaches the view I have come to understand to be true and is in fact where I got the link to your site. Therefor to me you are being two faced. In fact here is the link of the site that ur link was posted on.
Here is the Link a Christian site that posts your Christian Revealed Link. If you are so sure of Your position then why not Post my friend Todds link on your site and refute Fulfilled Covenant Eschatology?
http://www.preteristarchive.com/whatsnew.html
www.preteristarchive.com
Once again as I have said in my earlier posts your words are mere accusations without any historical evidence to back them up. Seems to me there are creatures in nature that when exposed to light scatter, namely Cock Roaches. But maybe thats my opinion to, LOL
Sent: 9.56 am - 3/22
‘I am of opinion,’ ‘that had the Romans deferred the punishment of these wretches, either the earth would have opened, and swallowed up the city, or it would have been swept away by a deluge, or have shared the thunderbolts of the land of Sodom. For it produced a race far more ungodly than those who were thus visited.’---Josephus, bk. v. chap. xiii.
Name: vintage
Sent: 10.02 am - 3/22
Seems to me the only thing being Revealed in your posts is an unstable mind, anger, fear and a great deal taken out of context, on the other hand some of what you or whoever wrote some of the information on this site do indeed appear to make sense at first viewing.
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